SPOILERS!! FF6 world = FF9 world????

[jedi geoff]

SPOILERS

i reckon FF6 has something to do with FF9
heres an idea.

maybe the statues from FF6 are moved again after the end of the game and the face of the world is formed into the world from FF9. (Gaia)
Terra could be the esper world, but it got VERY MESSED up. They named it Terra after (of course) the main character Terra. The guy that made the genomes (cant remember name sorry) maybe destroyed or sucked the power out of the statues to make enough power to:
Wreck Terra
Make Genomes
Remake the face of the world.

thats a crazy idea i thought of

[Zeromus_X]

Disregarding a couple of exceptions, none of the Final Fantasy universes are connected. It's true that FFIX shares a number of similarities with the older games, this is because it was meant to be a nostalgic game with many references to the older games. But they most certainly aren't in the same world.

Also of note, Terra's original Japanese name is Tina. This means that they didn't name the Genome world after her, rather, Terra is simply Latin for 'Earth'.

[jedi geoff]

Well theres go's that idea,
but seriously, I KNOW that FF9 was a uh, what did you call it, a nostalgic game or wateva. It a "back to its roots" game.
Who cares bout the whole name of Terra,
it was SPELLED the same, so does it matter? :)

but other than that, do you think it is a cool idea???????????

[Zeromus_X]

The original creators of the game wouldn't have made the planet Terra a reference to the character in FFVI if her original name was Tina.

Yes, it's a pretty neat idea, but it's ultimately non-canon.

[jedi geoff]

non-canon????? wat does that mean??
why couldnt it be possible with the whole statues and remaking the face of the earth/gaia

[ThroneofDravaris]

Kind of hard for the statues to wreak havoc on the planet again when they were destroyed by the party before you fight Kefka in the end of FFVI.

[Avathar]

but other than that, do you think it is a cool idea???????????

Haha,

no.

[jedi geoff]

THE STATUES WER DESTROYED??????????????
well i havent finished the game so............

[Yggdrasill]

None of the FF's are connected except FFX and FFX-2 and possibly FFVII and FFX (according to Square-enix).
As Zeromus said; Terra (the planet in FFIX) is a reference to Terra from FFVI.

[Zeromus_X]

I was actually saying that it wasn't a reference to Terra in FFVI. :p Sorry if I was confusing.

As for what canon is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_%28fiction%29

[Spec Highwind]

AS I already said. Every single Final Fantasy game is connected in some way. Some of them are more connected than the others, but...

[Zeromus_X]

Not all of the Final Fantasies are connected. They have references, and common themes and features of course, but they aren't set in the same world or universe (the exception being FFVII, X, and X-2).

[Yggdrasill]

There's a guide on GameFAQS giving all the past FF references.
The link to the FAQ is:

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_ix_reference.txt

Square seriously messed up on the FFVI names, 'Locke' was supposed to be 'Lock' and I think Kefka was supposed to be Cefca but I'm not too sure.

[Zeromus_X]

I wouldn't say they messed up on the names too much. It was annoying that Woolsey changed the names of some of the characters, but if it's for the sake of localization, then it can be forgiven. For example, 'Tina' is a rather exotic name in Japan, as the "Tee" sound isn't used very often in Japanese. But in western countries, it's a rather common name. Some names were also changed because of space restrictions (Cayenne to Cyan, Stragus to Strago, etc).

As for Locke, well, that's not too big a deal. They're both pronounced exactly the same way, Lock just predates Locke as an official romanization. I guess it wouldn't look nice for a character to be named after a thing, or something.

[Avathar]

AS I already said. Every single Final Fantasy game is connected in some way. Some of them are more connected than the others, but...

What Zeromus said. ;) There's quite the big difference between a connection and a mere reference.

(FFVII and FFX are connected, ? O: )

[Spec Highwind]

What Zeromus said. ;) There's quite the big difference between a connection and a mere reference.

(FFVII and FFX are connected, ? O: )

Hum... Shin-ra, in FFX-2, discovered some kind of lifestream.

Was he thinking about creating a big enterprise?

[Zeromus_X]

(FFVII and FFX are connected, ? O: )

***Interview with Yoshinori Kitase and Kazushige Nojima in the Final Fantasy X
Ultimania Omega*** (Page 191)
**FFVII and FFX are connected?!**
--"Previously, with a conversation in the FFX Scenario Ultimania, you made
certain inferences, and since it's been about half a year since then, is there
anything new you'd like to clarify about FFX?"

Kitase
"That's true...... Now that FFX International is out and we're in the future,
I'm in a predicament; it really isn't that hard to think of another story
[set] in that world; room for expansion was left possible there without too
much difficulty, don't you think? Speaking conversely, FFX received a splendid
reception and made us think of adding to it."

Nojima
"After FFVII was finished, we were easily able to add Zack's open[-ended role]
into the International version. But, with X, there was an older story with a
partly-finished world and an opening that this new one could be added to and
[, in doing] so[,] complete it."

Kitase
"So, you could say [in terms of] time, Nojima-san decided to designate it to
act as a sequel to VII, if you follow me."


--"It's a sequel to VII!!"

Kitase
"Well, there was a joke right there. Simply put, in VII's ending, Holy came,
and the next thing you knew, it was over without closing things up, and then
it was the "500 years later" [scene] in the future. There's a large margin
buried there. A margin for the imagination. Nojima-san and Toriyama are going
to be filling something of that with VII, though, while they're at their best
and can do it."


--"So, will it become a sequel to VII's story?"

Nojima
"I have a strong feeling that they're going to be connected."


--"Huh, so VII and X ARE connected?"

Nojima
"Well, there's not many specifics to it. I know that what becomes of people
when they die is among them; you could say that it's basically the same. Both
[concepts came to] function along the same line of thought as I wrote the
stories. Sometimes my thoughts just flow out like that, even though pyreflies
distinctly aren't green."


--"When you speak of the dead becoming [something] green, do you perhaps
[mean]......?"

Nojima
"Yes. In my mind, pyreflies and VII's Lifestream are the same substance."

Kitase
"Nojima-san's even considering making use of an idea like this -- [with] an
addition to the idea of life origin -- in a sequel to FFX International.
That's just a little bit of the thought that's been going into what to do with
VII."

Nojima
"That's right. There's something like the Lifestream [in X's world
also]......."


--"'An addition to the idea of life origin'......does that mean you're going
to revise life origin concepts or something?"

Nojima
"I can't say......it's a secret (laughs)."

Kitase
"It's a surprise with how someone from the story conducts theirself with
regards to the Farplane."



***Interview with FFX-2 creators from the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania***
(Page 723)
**"So, what of this child, Shinra......"**
--"Among these latest stories, 'connected' is one of the key words becoming
applicable, isn't it?"

[Daisuke] Watanabe
"I personally like the word 'connected,' but there's one aspect where that
applies well."

Nojima
"During the game's progression, various vague things will be tied together to
reveal it."


--"For example, the name 'Shinra' suggests a connection with VII? There's
[what's said] in the 'Graduation Mission' scenario [ -- 'graduation'
referring to Shinra being soon to leave the Gullwings -- ], and the 'I am not
alone in my thinking' line from the 'Rin's Detective Work' scenario seems to
have some particular significance."

Nojima
"Actually, it does. After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous
financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako
Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for
utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to
distant planets becomes possible, the Shin-Ra Company is founded on another
world, or something like that....... That would happen about 1000 years after
this story, I think."


--"So VII's story is after that?"

Nojima
"Well, you could say the feelings I have are like that. When I think about the
characters, those are the kinds of feelings I already have. Shinra is a good
child, but his descendants are going to end up becoming like the president [of
Shin-Ra] (laughs)."

Watanabe
"With you said about VII, after seeing your episodes with Shinra, one of the
people on the [development] staff said that the first shot of the Bevelle
Underground 'gives the impression of somewhere else.'"

[Motomu] Toriyama
"Certainly; it looks like the opening shot of Midgar in VII."



***Information on Shinra of the Gullwings in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania
Omega*** (Page 563)
Shinra is a boy who supports the Gullwings, the group which the main
protagonist, Yuna, belongs to. He carries a name that gives him an association
to the Shin-Ra Company, and he is researching a method that could utilize the
energy of "the life force that flows through our planet." The results of this
cannot be seen in FFX-2, but maybe one day his descendants will establish a
"company that supplies the energy of the planet"?

(Accompanying screenshot caption)
The words of Shinra, which can be heard at the end of the story. This world
has something similar to the Lifestream that is worthy of attention.



***Interview with FFVII creators from the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania
Omega*** (Page 571)
--"At E3 (the world's largest game show, which was held in America), as a demo
for the PS3, the opening of FFVII was shown; was its purpose to serve as
something of a preliminary announcement?

Kitase
"Well, in regard to that, please think of it as a mere demonstration. Because
the production period for its imagery was [going to be] so short, we made the
opening of FFVII, as it was easy to represent. Beyond that, there is no
particular deeper meaning.


--"In that case, it's not a remake; when might you be making something to
serve as the direct continuation of FFX-2?"

Kitase
"Producing something like that holds the same problem as a remake [of FFVII],
as our schedule just isn't open for it [right now]."



***Information concerning the Shera and fuel in the Advent Children Reunion
Files book*** (Page 87)
What do they use for fuel in this time period?
"Cloud and the gang certainly aren't using mako anymore, because it drains the
life of the planet. That means they don't use Materia, either. Yuffie collects
them, but that's just because she lives to collect things (laughs). I guess
the airship must be running on some mysterious ancient power source." (Nomura)



http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_vii_ultramania_omega.txt

So yes, unfortunately.

[jedi geoff]

well ANYWAY back to what i started this thread about,
from what i hear shadow stays in kefka's tower at the end right?
well maybe he inherits all the power????????

btw this idea was thought up at around 1am, and i felt like my eyelids weighed about 1 million kg.
I havent played FF9 in a few years now, and i havent finished FF6 yet. :o

[Zeromus_X]

Shadow dies at the end of FFVI. He was tired of 'running away' (living), and now that he knew his daughter was safe and he had payed his dues, decided it was time to end his life.

[jedi geoff]

just for fun i will argue with Zeromus (not suggested other noobs)

well maybe he was reborn cuz of the power let out by kefka's death?
and he then did bad things...