Battle system

[dappa]

How long did it take you guys to get used to the battle system?

If you dont find this final fantasy as addictive as the others is it because of the battle system?

Discuss.

[Phoenix Flame]

About 4-6 hours to be honest... after I got used to the camera and gambits I found it less annoying.

[dappa]

The gambits arent too bad once you learn how to prioritise them.

I stil think they should of kept turn based battles though, or at least kept the battles turn based and still give you the option to fight and enemy or not.

[Zeromus_X]

It didn't take too long to get used to. Besides being able to move around to adjust abilities with an Area of Effect, it's basically the same as ATB. Gambits, however, did take some getting used to, but after I understood them it made things a whole lot easier.

[ThroneofDravaris]

I don't see why anyone who's plays JRPGs beyond Final Fantasy, or even most of the installments in the series, would have trouble adjusting to the battle system. There really isn't a great difference between the core mechanics of FFXII and every other battle system in the series. Gambits are a change but they aren't exactly rocket science either.

[Phoenix Flame]

Oftentimes for major boss battles you have to rethink your gambits from the ground up...othertimes when you are facing enemies that throw every status ailment in the book at you, you have to do the same thing: think on the fly and either take control of your characters to make sure they do what you want them to do, or just let them fight it out and hope for the best. I 1/2 find this annoying and 1/2 find it a breath of fresh air from spaming the action button.

On the plus side, I like how this game makes you think. You can't use a set gambit/battle plan for every mark/enemy...it just doesn't work. I'm still trying to plan my strategy for getting Zodiark.

[dappa]

I suppose its a perspective thing then. If you turn your gambits off you are more or less fighting with an atb system but with your characters being able to manipulate the surroundings.

[zen la]

This FF has the best battle system of them all in my opinion its great so much freedom and its lost the ever so frustrating screen change/ random battles,what does one think???

[dappa]

I prefer random encounters myself, this battle system is why its taking me ages to play through this game because I dont find myself compelled enough to play the game constantly.

I bought the game a day after its release date in the uk and am still at the garif village.

[Phoenix Flame]

Zen la - there is already a thread for this topic. Use the 'Search' tab at the top of your page - or change the date you sort the posts by (located in each of the forums at the bottom of the page. This will allow you to pull up other posts/threads that have been 'covered over' by time.

[dappa]

I read in a cheat book though I've forgotten which one already that theres a boss which was deliberately made to expose flaws in the gambit system.

[Phoenix Flame]

I wonder if there is anyone crazy enough to go through the game with a gambit-only challenge.

Obviously - barring the beginning where you would have to use the joystick attack, menu buttons to stay alive...the rest of the game would be w/o that option. o_o I think that would be a pretty good challenge. ^_~

[TherathxRikku]

I can honestly say that I will probably never get used to the battle system. When XII first came out, I was so excited to try out the new system, I did okay at first, but then when I fought bosses, it was like I never played the game before, Belias took me a million tried to beat, all my characters were level 30 and still got my ass handed to me every time.

I've pretty much given up with the battle system, what's the point of trying to beat a game you can't win?

[rissole25]

haha the first couple of hours i played it, i didn't get gambits and the license board and all that stuff. Then I got used to it.

I haven't even beaten it yet. I have a tendancy to play a game and when i get stuck at a boss or a challenge i really can't beat then i play another game for a while. Then i go back to it after a week or so and then i can beat it. It's wierd.

I hated the Espers. I reckon they should've had Ifrit instead of Belias and Shiva instead of the ice esper (can't remember its name) except i think bahamut is an esper in it.

I dunno whether i liked the Quickenings or not. I guess they were like Limit Breaks but you could use them multiple times. I hated trying to chain Quickenings together as fast as you can.

And finally, The battle system is a breath of fresh air, with it being free roam and all. Although i like this one, i like the ATB system or the turn based system better then it.

[TherathxRikku]

Bahamut ish no Esper, sorry. Instead, they have Chaos. :D

And Quickenings were easy to master, I remember being able to chain like, 30 and I still did little damage to Belias. About 1/4 of his health was gone.

[rissole25]

30? I think the highest i ever did was 12 - 16. can't actually remember the number.

[TherathxRikku]

I actually lost count and thought he would be beyond dead, but I was wrong.

[rissole25]

Can you use LV 3 quickenings then?

[TherathxRikku]

Yeah, I have everyone with all Quickenings except for Fran, I think. Course I have a copy of the License Board. Comes with the guide book you get from your friends on Christmas. :P

[clief101_]

i dont overly like this battle system, i much prefer the old ATB. iv completed the game, i found it too easy

[TherathxRikku]

I actually think if it were ATB, I could've beaten it. v_v Course, I still can't play KH: (RE)CoM because they changed it.

[clief101_]

KH is easy....KH2 was made WAY too easy with the command button

[TherathxRikku]

Agreed, Proud Mode was disappointing...

[rissole25]

KH2 Sephiroth was easier then KH1 Sephiroth I reckon.

Are future Final Fantasys gonna be ATB? or like FFXII's battle system?

[TherathxRikku]

I've seen the FFXIII trial vids and no, they probably won't.

And KH2 Sephy was WAY easier. KH1 Sephy spammed pretty much everything he had, and he teleported after you hit him three times, every time. KH2 Sephy teleports when you hit him with two combos, you can rack up a lot of damage that way.

[rissole25]

Yea and FFXIV i heard is a MMORPG, like FFXI.

I haven't even beaten KH1 Sephy, too hard. I'll try to someday if i play the game again which i probably will.

[TherathxRikku]

It helps to have Ultima Weapon before fighting him. What level are you?

[clief101_]

i cant beat him in KH1, i got him to half health bar, but he killed me >:(
i dont think i can get ultima weapon coz i dont have the indregients that u get for it aat the start of the game, like the gems?

yes, iv heard that 14 will be an online game, but supposedly ALOT better than 11 was...

i think the battle system in 13 will be alot better than in 12, 12 sucks alot

[TherathxRikku]

I used to have the list for which enemy dropped which item. I wonder what I did with it...crap...

[rissole25]

I'm LV 89 i think and i don't have the Ultima Weapon. Probs why I can't beat him.

Oh and the battle system for FFXII is called ADB (Active Dimension Battle).

[TherathxRikku]

Ultima Weapon actually makes a difference. His health bar starts going down with like, five or six hits.

[rissole25]

I've only got him out of the purple or down one bar you could say. Does he give you anything after you defeat him?

[TherathxRikku]

18,000 EXP. Not really worth it, but there's a scene when you first beat him.

[rissole25]

Do you know what the scene is?

[clief101_]

im lvl 100 and still cant do it...i have the oblivion but. like i said, half a health bar left :(....WHYYY!!!!????

the scene is betwenn cloud and sephy i think? not sure, i havnt seen it

[TherathxRikku]

Whoops, the scene is on Final Mix, nevermind.

My magic quicklist helped me a lot. Have Aeroga, and Curaga in your quicklist and use them often.

[clief101_]

i do, but i only have cura...how do u get curaga?

[TherathxRikku]

Talk to Aerith in Hollow Bastion three times. Aeroga is the really important one to have, it halves all the damage you receive. But it'll betray you aganist Ice Titan. lol

[rissole25]

Don't you get Curaga from 100 acre wood? or is that KH2?

Mmm i hate the Doom Guy in Neverland at the clock tower. I can never stop the clocks on the tower in time.

[clief101_]

that took me a while to do lol

[TherathxRikku]

I feel like a master of KH for some reason. I'm the only guy in my school who has completely beaten KH 1 & 2. lol

But, no Curaga is in Hollow Bastion in KH1, in KH2 it's in 100 Acre Wood.

Stopra helps a lot against Phantom, it also helps to be a REALLY high level. Just cast Stopra on the Clock Tower when you see the numbers on your head. You also want a weapon that gives you extra MP, Spellbinder is great for that battle.

Anybody else beaten Kurt Zisa yet? I'd imagine if you haven't beaten Sephy, then that would be a no, right? For that battle, you may want to have Save the King and Save the Queen for Goofy and Donald. And definitely Ultima Weapon.

[clief101_]

is he the one in the desert? coz ive beaten him...

[rissole25]

I've beat the one in the desert.

Do you get Stopga after you beat him? Also I have Save The Queen on Donald. But I use Goofy in the fight in Neverland cos you have to have Peter in your party as well.

[TherathxRikku]

Finally, I'm not alone. lol

And, yeah, you get Stopga after beating Phantom, and it helps to have Donald instead of Goofy, since he casts random spells, not to mention he has Cure magic. :P

[rissole25]

But Goofy can keep replenishing your magic whereas the Donald can't.

[TherathxRikku]

Touche'...I just prefer to let Donald do the magic casting and I'll heal when I need to, the weapon does more damage anyway.

[rissole25]

But don't you need to cast Blizzard/Fire/Thunder when the orb changes colour?

[TherathxRikku]

Yup, that's why Ethers are always in my item slots. And you can get some MP from hitting him when the heart is white.