Ff Vii Theories

**Phoenix Flame** · 11-23-2005, 06:52 PM

Hey all. New to the site, just wanted to say Hi. Has anyone got some good or unique theories about FFVII or Advent Children? I would especially like to hear about what you think about Jenova

To get you started, I'll propose a question. Do you believe that Sephiroth was continueing Jenova's mahem by trying to become one with the planet, or was he being manipulated by Jenova???

Gumdrop · 11-23-2005, 08:01 PM

hey welcome

Personaly I think he was being manipulated but he was also partly acting for himself, he had a lot of hatered and lust for power which was a large part of what drove him to summon meteor.

Zeromus_X · 11-24-2005, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by reasoniamalive

Hey all. New to the site, just wanted to say Hi. Has anyone got some good or unique theories about FFVII or Advent Children? I would especially like to hear about what you think about Jenova

To get you started, I'll propose a question. Do you believe that Sephiroth was continueing Jenova's mahem by trying to become one with the planet, or was he being manipulated by Jenova???

ive often wondered about the whole jenova controlling sephy thing...i mean, i guess it could be true, but there isnt any concrete proof supporting it. still...it wouldve been alot better if jenova were the final boss of ffVII! it (she?) just looks like a better final boss. (IMO)

**Phoenix Flame** · 11-25-2005, 05:28 PM

I having a difficult time believing that Jenova would be a better final boss than Sephiroth...He is, after all, portrayed throughout the entire game as being almost invincible. He's a pushover,- no one can match Cloud's team right?

Well, how about a quick question about Advent Children then...?

- I posted this on another forum as well...but I've been racking my brain trying to think of the relationship between Jenova, Geostigma, and the Lifestream. I was recalling Jenova's abilities/powers to manipulate it's form, speech, appearance, and others. I thought about the control and indirect conduction into the mind of Cloud. And I thought about how it's will had survived over the course of a couple thousand years. So I thought, and I thought. Here's what I came up with.
Geostima is caused by a contamination of the lifestream, and of the blood of those who possess cells from Jenova. Since it was frozen before in the ice fields, it's will/spirit energy did not have a chance to dissipate into the lifestream. However, once President Shin-Ra and Hojo used Jenova in all kinds of experiments - including trying to clone Sephiroth and with members of Soldier - people were born from that contaminated spirit energy and those still alive living with Jenova's cells in their bods were suseptible to it also.
I think this is supportded by Iflana's statement "...then it (Jenova) gave them the virus and many Cetra died." - How does this add up to everyone else???

Zeromus_X · 11-25-2005, 07:42 PM

ive only seen the movie half way, but most people think that the geostigma is the body trying to fight jenova cells. (in fact, i think vincent explains it in the movie, ill have to watch it again.)

*SPOILERS?*

so, if jenova was trying to take over the planet, maybe she tried putting her cells in the ancient's bodies? interesting to think about.

well, jenova just seems more of a legendary figure to me, thats why i think she wouldve made a better final enemy, but thats just my opinion. (it wouldve been awesome if it turned out she was really controlling sephiroth

but, I cant very well go back in time and change the games storyline, can i?

)

**Phoenix Flame** · 11-25-2005, 10:09 PM

True, "...the virus" is kinda vague if you ask me. Still, it makes no sense that no one got sick up until the point Cloud and the team put a stop to it. If you can Zeromus_X, can you send me a private message once you watch the movie again and tell me what you found out - It would be much appreciated.

--- Also, if anyone knows where I can find a script of the movie online I'd much appreciate it! I found one once but only got about 1/4 way through it and had to run. Of course, like an idiot, I didn't save it

Zeromus_X · 12-03-2005, 04:49 PM

i should be able to watch it at my friends house, he has cox for internet, so hes actually able to download a 700 megabyte file...in less than an hour.

the girl with the movie keeps ditching school, so we cant watch it at anime club! :mad: maybe next meeting shell have it...or i could try and buy my own...but the comic book store ran out of the hong kong dvds...gr...i guess ill just have to go to atomic comics...

with my dial up, downloading it isnt a possibility...

**Phoenix Flame** · 12-04-2005, 04:11 AM

How would you download it? Is there a website where you can download it with english subtitles???

Zeromus_X · 12-04-2005, 04:17 AM

well, im not sure i could tell you (even if i knew) but youll have to use a file sharing program (bittorent, limewire, morpheus, etc) and get it. but...they are VERY large files. 700mb+!

or you could just buy the dvd...

**Phoenix Flame** · 12-04-2005, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeromus_X

well, im not sure i could tell you (even if i knew) but youll have to use a file sharing program (bittorent, limewire, morpheus, etc) and get it. but...they are VERY large files. 700mb+!

or you could just buy the dvd...

I C. I suppose I'll wait. Thanks Zeromus_X

gcarev10 · 12-04-2005, 11:44 AM

Virus by mako, and he act on his own because he became mad and full of pain and heate all who is versus Jenova and old civilization.

**Phoenix Flame** · 12-06-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gcarev10

Virus by mako, and he act on his own because he became mad and full of pain and heate all who is versus Jenova and old civilization.

I don't believe that the virus comes from Mako or... the Lifestream directly. But rather, Jenova's polluting the lifestream from within. The question would be: Why didn't Jenova's will/cells/spirit energy affect anyone else? The answer must lie in the fact that she was found frozen in the snow plains I guess...frozen alive by the Ancients??? Or perhaps after Cloud and the gang defeated it for the final time in the Northern cavern, maybe that was the first time its life energy was dissipated...a lot to think about here.

Black Mage · 12-12-2005, 09:06 PM

Does anyone know when Dirge of Cerbrus comes out for ps2? j/w....sorry for changing the subject. lol

**Phoenix Flame** · 12-15-2005, 04:01 AM

No idea...but you may want to check www.gamefaqs.com

Have you seen A.C. yet BM?

...and please post relevant questions in the forum your in.

11-23-2005, 06:52 PM	#1
Phoenix Flame Go Umbarbar do my bidding Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: By myself. It's lonely ;-; Posts: 3,044	Ff Vii Theories Hey all. New to the site, just wanted to say Hi. Has anyone got some good or unique theories about FFVII or Advent Children? I would especially like to hear about what you think about Jenova To get you started, I'll propose a question. Do you believe that Sephiroth was continueing Jenova's mahem by trying to become one with the planet, or was he being manipulated by Jenova???

11-23-2005, 08:01 PM	#2
Gumdrop Highwind Pilot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: England Age: 37 Posts: 697	Re: Ff Vii Theories hey welcome Personaly I think he was being manipulated but he was also partly acting for himself, he had a lot of hatered and lust for power which was a large part of what drove him to summon meteor.

11-25-2005, 05:28 PM	#4
Phoenix Flame Go Umbarbar do my bidding Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: By myself. It's lonely ;-; Posts: 3,044	Re: Ff Vii Theories I having a difficult time believing that Jenova would be a better final boss than Sephiroth...He is, after all, portrayed throughout the entire game as being almost invincible. He's a pushover,- no one can match Cloud's team right? Well, how about a quick question about Advent Children then...? - I posted this on another forum as well...but I've been racking my brain trying to think of the relationship between Jenova, Geostigma, and the Lifestream. I was recalling Jenova's abilities/powers to manipulate it's form, speech, appearance, and others. I thought about the control and indirect conduction into the mind of Cloud. And I thought about how it's will had survived over the course of a couple thousand years. So I thought, and I thought. Here's what I came up with. Geostima is caused by a contamination of the lifestream, and of the blood of those who possess cells from Jenova. Since it was frozen before in the ice fields, it's will/spirit energy did not have a chance to dissipate into the lifestream. However, once President Shin-Ra and Hojo used Jenova in all kinds of experiments - including trying to clone Sephiroth and with members of Soldier - people were born from that contaminated spirit energy and those still alive living with Jenova's cells in their bods were suseptible to it also. I think this is supportded by Iflana's statement "...then it (Jenova) gave them the virus and many Cetra died." - How does this add up to everyone else???

11-25-2005, 07:42 PM	#5
Zeromus_X Master Summoner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Core of the Moon (Phoenix, AZ) Age: 95 Posts: 2,931	Re: Ff Vii Theories ive only seen the movie half way, but most people think that the geostigma is the body trying to fight jenova cells. (in fact, i think vincent explains it in the movie, ill have to watch it again.) SPOILERS? so, if jenova was trying to take over the planet, maybe she tried putting her cells in the ancient's bodies? interesting to think about. well, jenova just seems more of a legendary figure to me, thats why i think she wouldve made a better final enemy, but thats just my opinion. (it wouldve been awesome if it turned out she was really controlling sephiroth but, I cant very well go back in time and change the games storyline, can i? )

11-25-2005, 10:09 PM	#6
Phoenix Flame Go Umbarbar do my bidding Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: By myself. It's lonely ;-; Posts: 3,044	Re: Ff Vii Theories True, "...the virus" is kinda vague if you ask me. Still, it makes no sense that no one got sick up until the point Cloud and the team put a stop to it. If you can Zeromus_X, can you send me a private message once you watch the movie again and tell me what you found out - It would be much appreciated. --- Also, if anyone knows where I can find a script of the movie online I'd much appreciate it! I found one once but only got about 1/4 way through it and had to run. Of course, like an idiot, I didn't save it

12-03-2005, 04:49 PM	#7
Zeromus_X Master Summoner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Core of the Moon (Phoenix, AZ) Age: 95 Posts: 2,931	Re: Ff Vii Theories i should be able to watch it at my friends house, he has cox for internet, so hes actually able to download a 700 megabyte file...in less than an hour. the girl with the movie keeps ditching school, so we cant watch it at anime club! :mad: maybe next meeting shell have it...or i could try and buy my own...but the comic book store ran out of the hong kong dvds...gr...i guess ill just have to go to atomic comics... with my dial up, downloading it isnt a possibility...

12-04-2005, 04:11 AM	#8
Phoenix Flame Go Umbarbar do my bidding Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: By myself. It's lonely ;-; Posts: 3,044	Re: Ff Vii Theories How would you download it? Is there a website where you can download it with english subtitles???

12-04-2005, 04:17 AM	#9
Zeromus_X Master Summoner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Core of the Moon (Phoenix, AZ) Age: 95 Posts: 2,931	Re: Ff Vii Theories well, im not sure i could tell you (even if i knew) but youll have to use a file sharing program (bittorent, limewire, morpheus, etc) and get it. but...they are VERY large files. 700mb+! or you could just buy the dvd...

12-04-2005, 11:44 AM	#11
gcarev10 Master Thief Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Where Dimension Interval Age: 48 Posts: 486	Re: Ff Vii Theories Virus by mako, and he act on his own because he became mad and full of pain and heate all who is versus Jenova and old civilization.

12-12-2005, 09:06 PM	#13
Black Mage Vivi's Minder Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 44	Re: Ff Vii Theories Does anyone know when Dirge of Cerbrus comes out for ps2? j/w....sorry for changing the subject. lol __________________ Someone looked into a black Mage's eyes and saw something. They didn't see a monster but, they saw monster who needed a friend. Visit the Black Mage Guild for more stories.

12-15-2005, 04:01 AM	#14
Phoenix Flame Go Umbarbar do my bidding Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: By myself. It's lonely ;-; Posts: 3,044	Re: Ff Vii Theories No idea...but you may want to check www.gamefaqs.com Have you seen A.C. yet BM? ...and please post relevant questions in the forum your in.

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