Depleted Uranium

blackstar · 01-05-2007, 12:23 PM

Hey guys I just want you opinion on the use of DU by the US millitary I couldnt tell you any better than these essays and links so just tell me your thoughts.
I personaly have heard and seen US soldiers that on returning home have had children with radiation caused birth defects. I have also heard that they detected the radiation in London (though that is unconfirmed) so just tell me what you think.

Essay on DU from Anti-Flag’s, For Blood and Empire

Depleted Uranium (i.e. DU): the name implies that it is a nontoxic material, but nothing could be further from the truth. DU is extremely toxic and has a radioactive half-life of 4.5 billion years. Depleted Uranium is the by-product of nuclear energy production. DU is “a very heavy substance, 1.7 times denser than lead, and it is highly valued by armies for its ability to punch through armored vehicles. When a weapon made with a DU tip or core strikes a solid object, like the side of a tank, it goes straight through it and then erupts in a burning cloud of vapor. The vapor settles as dust, which is chemically poisonous and also radioactive.” BBC NEWS January 4, 2001 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1101447.stm

Rep. McDermott, a medical doctor, psychiatrist and a Vietnam-era veteran, witnessed the devastating effects Agent Orange had on the health of those exposed to it in the Vietnam War, as well as the Pentagon’s denial that Agent Orange was a health hazard. (It is now widely accepted in the scientific community that the Agent Orange used in Vietnam was a hazard to human health.) Just as the Pentagon denied that Agent Orange was harmful to human health, the Pentagon now argues that DU is not harmful. The Pentagon’s argument flies in the face of certain cancer rates in parts of Iraq, which have increased by more than 600% in areas of Southern Iraq where tons of DU was dumped via U.S. armaments in Gulf War One. Faced with a lack of credible scientific research, and troubling questions where human health appears to have been co-opted as a result of the use of DU, Rep. McDermott has introduced a bill in Congress. H.R. 2410 — The Depleted Uranium Munitions Study Act was introduced in the 109th Congress (2005). It calls for in-depth studies to be conducted on DU and its effects on the health of those exposed to it. The bill has 39 co-sponsors comprised of 38 Democrats and one Republican.

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MORE ABOUT DEPLETED URANIUM:

The Campaign Against Depleted Uranium (CADU)

Physicians for Social Responsibility Report on Depleted Uranium

1,000 - 2,000 TONS DU Spread Over Iraq’s Cities

Decorated Army Expert On DU: “The use of DU is a war crime”

Doctor · 01-06-2007, 04:47 AM

Well, this is the first I've heard about it, so I don't really have a strong opinion yet. However I can say that it sounds horrible, and the U.S. shouldn't use such a poisonous, awful material.

**Phoenix Flame** · 01-06-2007, 09:48 AM

What could be MORE American? If you can't do it to your own people...why not piss off another country by taking a radioactive dump in their backyard? I mean, come on! With all the technology the US has, you're telling me we NEED to use DU? O_____________0

As soon as we use up all the Mako energy, and build the ultimate death ray, maybe mankind will finally learn to coexist peaceably.... then again, we should bring it up at the next board meeting...which by the way will be conveniently held the 7th Thursday of the 13th month of the year 2023.

John Smith · 01-06-2007, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Faust

Well, this is the first I've heard about it, so I don't really have a strong opinion yet. However I can say that it sounds horrible, and the U.S. shouldn't use such a poisonous, awful material.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Using such substances, it's like using atomic weaponry in disguise!

blackstar · 01-12-2007, 05:43 PM

I also agree with Faust and theyve denied it until now and finally theres just too much evidence to deny. I heard in Vietnam they did the same thing with something called "Agent Orange" I dont know the full story behind that though.
Are all of you from the US? Or elswhere?

Cloud101 · 01-12-2007, 05:55 PM

I thought that uranium was a good thing!?

blackstar · 01-18-2007, 12:18 PM

It can be if its used as energy but they are takeing the radioactive remains of what they used as energy and useing it to make bullets

Hydra · 01-18-2007, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reasoniamalive

What could be MORE American? If you can't do it to your own people...why not piss off another country by taking a radioactive dump in their backyard? I mean, come on! With all the technology the US has, you're telling me we NEED to use DU? O_____________0

As soon as we use up all the Mako energy, and build the ultimate death ray, maybe mankind will finally learn to coexist peaceably.... then again, we should bring it up at the next board meeting...which by the way will be conveniently held the 7th Thursday of the 13th month of the year 2023.

I'll be there. =P

Well, I say simply, don't use it. =/

I could care less, because it's not MY problem, it's my NATIONS problem. And the nation doesn't necessarily have to be me. It can be any group of people. So, let us do what we want. If we start a war, fine. It's our fault. =P

Tiny Bronco · 01-18-2007, 05:56 PM

Agent Orange was the nickname given to a powerful herbicide and defoliant used by the U.S. military in its Herbicidal Warfare program during the Vietnam War. Agent Orange was used from 1961 to 1971, and was by far the most used of the so-called "rainbow herbicides" used during the program. Degradation of Agent Orange (as well as Agents Purple, Pink, and Green) released dioxins, which are alleged to have caused harm to the health of those exposed during the Vietnam War. Agents Blue and White were part of the same program but did not contain dioxins. Studies of populations highly exposed to dioxin indicate increased risk of various types of cancer and genetic defects; the effect of long term low level exposure has not been established. Since the 1980s, several lawsuits have been filed against the companies who produced Agent Orange, among them being Dow Chemical and Monsanto. U.S. veterans obtained $180 million in compensation in 1984, while Australian, Canadian and New Zealand veterans also obtained compensation in an out-of-court settlement the same year. In 1999, 20,000 South Koreans filed a lawsuit in Korea; in January 2006, the Korean Appeal Court ordered Monsanto and Dow to pay $62 million in compensation to about 6,800 people. However, no Vietnamese have obtained compensation, and on March 10, 2005 Judge Jack Weinstein of Brooklyn Federal Court dismissed the lawsuit filed by the Vietnamese victims of Agent Orange against the chemical companies that produced the defoliants/herbicides.

Basically a very weak Mustard Gas that was meant to target the leaves and under growth of a forest/jungle so that guerilla (spelled wrong) warfare would be less affective.

blackstar · 01-19-2007, 12:13 PM

Thanks for clearing that up for me

John Smith · 01-19-2007, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackstar

Are all of you from the US? Or elswhere?

I'm from Portugal, and so is Spec. Why do you wat to know though?

(Sorry if I sound rude, but that's nt my intention

)

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01-05-2007, 12:23 PM	#1
blackstar Headbanger For Life Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: TN Age: 33 Posts: 1,578	Depleted Uranium Hey guys I just want you opinion on the use of DU by the US millitary I couldnt tell you any better than these essays and links so just tell me your thoughts. I personaly have heard and seen US soldiers that on returning home have had children with radiation caused birth defects. I have also heard that they detected the radiation in London (though that is unconfirmed) so just tell me what you think. Essay on DU from Anti-Flag’s, For Blood and Empire Depleted Uranium (i.e. DU): the name implies that it is a nontoxic material, but nothing could be further from the truth. DU is extremely toxic and has a radioactive half-life of 4.5 billion years. Depleted Uranium is the by-product of nuclear energy production. DU is “a very heavy substance, 1.7 times denser than lead, and it is highly valued by armies for its ability to punch through armored vehicles. When a weapon made with a DU tip or core strikes a solid object, like the side of a tank, it goes straight through it and then erupts in a burning cloud of vapor. The vapor settles as dust, which is chemically poisonous and also radioactive.” BBC NEWS January 4, 2001 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1101447.stm Rep. McDermott, a medical doctor, psychiatrist and a Vietnam-era veteran, witnessed the devastating effects Agent Orange had on the health of those exposed to it in the Vietnam War, as well as the Pentagon’s denial that Agent Orange was a health hazard. (It is now widely accepted in the scientific community that the Agent Orange used in Vietnam was a hazard to human health.) Just as the Pentagon denied that Agent Orange was harmful to human health, the Pentagon now argues that DU is not harmful. The Pentagon’s argument flies in the face of certain cancer rates in parts of Iraq, which have increased by more than 600% in areas of Southern Iraq where tons of DU was dumped via U.S. armaments in Gulf War One. Faced with a lack of credible scientific research, and troubling questions where human health appears to have been co-opted as a result of the use of DU, Rep. McDermott has introduced a bill in Congress. H.R. 2410 — The Depleted Uranium Munitions Study Act was introduced in the 109th Congress (2005). It calls for in-depth studies to be conducted on DU and its effects on the health of those exposed to it. The bill has 39 co-sponsors comprised of 38 Democrats and one Republican. SIGN THE PETITION TODAY @: www.millionemailmarch.com MORE ABOUT DEPLETED URANIUM: The Campaign Against Depleted Uranium (CADU) Physicians for Social Responsibility Report on Depleted Uranium 1,000 - 2,000 TONS DU Spread Over Iraq’s Cities Decorated Army Expert On DU: “The use of DU is a war crime”

01-06-2007, 04:47 AM	#2
Doctor Highwind Captain Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hulle Granz Cathedral Age: 33 Posts: 1,172	Re: Depleted Uranium Well, this is the first I've heard about it, so I don't really have a strong opinion yet. However I can say that it sounds horrible, and the U.S. shouldn't use such a poisonous, awful material. __________________ 'All games contain the idea of death.' --The Lords and the New Creatures

01-06-2007, 09:48 AM	#3
Phoenix Flame Go Umbarbar do my bidding Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: By myself. It's lonely ;-; Posts: 3,044	Re: Depleted Uranium What could be MORE American? If you can't do it to your own people...why not piss off another country by taking a radioactive dump in their backyard? I mean, come on! With all the technology the US has, you're telling me we NEED to use DU? O_____________0 As soon as we use up all the Mako energy, and build the ultimate death ray, maybe mankind will finally learn to coexist peaceably.... then again, we should bring it up at the next board meeting...which by the way will be conveniently held the 7th Thursday of the 13th month of the year 2023. __________________ Fight, if there is something to fight for. Never give in, or give up - but ALWAYS give. Choose your battles wisely. You only get one shot at life. Follow your heart. Last edited by reasoniamalive; 01-06-2007 at 09:51 AM.

01-12-2007, 05:43 PM	#5
blackstar Headbanger For Life Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: TN Age: 33 Posts: 1,578	Re: Depleted Uranium I also agree with Faust and theyve denied it until now and finally theres just too much evidence to deny. I heard in Vietnam they did the same thing with something called "Agent Orange" I dont know the full story behind that though. Are all of you from the US? Or elswhere?

01-12-2007, 05:55 PM	#6
Cloud101 The Dark Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ramadi, Iraq Age: 34 Posts: 609	Re: Depleted Uranium I thought that uranium was a good thing!? __________________ Fightnin for the country hooah!

01-18-2007, 12:18 PM	#7
blackstar Headbanger For Life Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: TN Age: 33 Posts: 1,578	Re: Depleted Uranium It can be if its used as energy but they are takeing the radioactive remains of what they used as energy and useing it to make bullets

01-18-2007, 05:56 PM	#9
Tiny Bronco No Scoped Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 1,561	Re: Depleted Uranium Agent Orange was the nickname given to a powerful herbicide and defoliant used by the U.S. military in its Herbicidal Warfare program during the Vietnam War. Agent Orange was used from 1961 to 1971, and was by far the most used of the so-called "rainbow herbicides" used during the program. Degradation of Agent Orange (as well as Agents Purple, Pink, and Green) released dioxins, which are alleged to have caused harm to the health of those exposed during the Vietnam War. Agents Blue and White were part of the same program but did not contain dioxins. Studies of populations highly exposed to dioxin indicate increased risk of various types of cancer and genetic defects; the effect of long term low level exposure has not been established. Since the 1980s, several lawsuits have been filed against the companies who produced Agent Orange, among them being Dow Chemical and Monsanto. U.S. veterans obtained $180 million in compensation in 1984, while Australian, Canadian and New Zealand veterans also obtained compensation in an out-of-court settlement the same year. In 1999, 20,000 South Koreans filed a lawsuit in Korea; in January 2006, the Korean Appeal Court ordered Monsanto and Dow to pay $62 million in compensation to about 6,800 people. However, no Vietnamese have obtained compensation, and on March 10, 2005 Judge Jack Weinstein of Brooklyn Federal Court dismissed the lawsuit filed by the Vietnamese victims of Agent Orange against the chemical companies that produced the defoliants/herbicides. Basically a very weak Mustard Gas that was meant to target the leaves and under growth of a forest/jungle so that guerilla (spelled wrong) warfare would be less affective. __________________ "Gimme Elixir!" "Gimme Elixir!" oddball Last edited by Tiny Bronco; 01-18-2007 at 05:58 PM.

01-19-2007, 12:13 PM	#10
blackstar Headbanger For Life Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: TN Age: 33 Posts: 1,578	Re: Depleted Uranium Thanks for clearing that up for me

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