evolution- yes/no - Page 2

Spec Highwind · 10-31-2006, 05:42 PM

My faith is in the Nature, and evolution.

Staircase · 10-31-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spec

My faith is in the Nature, and evolution.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in evolution too. Plus, i just love nature. However, i also have faith that god is real.

On the reverse side, I can see why people don't believe in god, and why it seems "far-fetched" that there is a God, but faith is what keeps me believing.

Unknown Kaze · 11-01-2006, 06:30 AM

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So... tell me... if our organisms/minds/whatever MUST BE deSIGNED BY "SOMEONE", Who designed that "god"?

Well, my belief is that God has always existed, before time began, and after time has ended - that is why he IS Je-ho-vah God. And also dont you think that if we knew all things about God - he would cease to be God and just be our equal? but since he is All mighty and All powerful and infinte, we just cannot comprehend with our finite minds all of his being, so thats why we have faith ^^.
Personally I wanna make it to Heaven and then ask him all the things i wanna know, but thats just me

Xartex · 11-01-2006, 09:49 AM

Like a lot of you has said, it is just about faith. Some have it, some don't. I don't so therefore I belive in evolution.

Spec Highwind · 11-01-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Kaze

Well, my belief is that God has always existed, before time began, and after time has ended - that is why he IS Je-ho-vah God. And also dont you think that if we knew all things about God - he would cease to be God and just be our equal? but since he is All mighty and All powerful and infinte, we just cannot comprehend with our finite minds all of his being, so thats why we have faith ^^.
Personally I wanna make it to Heaven and then ask him all the things i wanna know, but thats just me

Hum... tell me one thing... Why aren't we born in Heaven? Are we in this life just to suffer? (I just want your oppinion, to discuss the subject in a good way, don't get me wrong

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Staircase · 11-01-2006, 10:41 AM

I was wondering that too. Im still confused as to what happened before birth. I'd like to see some peoples ideas on that. Good question Spec!

Unknown Kaze · 11-01-2006, 05:15 PM

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Hum... tell me one thing... Why aren't we born in Heaven?

Well like I said in my previous post, if I had all the answers, then I would be God wouldnt I?

but since Im only human, I dont have the answer to that question. Again (and it boils down to belief - again) I believe that we ARE born in Heaven, but in Spirit, and are then born here in body.

As to your next question,

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Are we in this life just to suffer? (I just want your oppinion, to discuss the subject in a good way, don't get me wrong

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No, we are not in this life, to suffer. It is because of the free-will of man-kind. God didnt make suffering, man did.

Spec Highwind · 11-01-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Kaze

Well like I said in my previous post, if I had all the answers, then I would be God wouldnt I?

but since Im only human, I dont have the answer to that question. Again (and it boils down to belief - again) I believe that we ARE born in Heaven, but in Spirit, and are then born here in body.

As to your next question,

No, we are not in this life, to suffer. It is because of the free-will of man-kind. God didnt make suffering, man did.

Well... if he's omniscient, he knew what would happen! Is he using us as his puppets?

Unknown Kaze · 11-01-2006, 05:38 PM

Why would you ask if He is using us as puppets? Of course He knew it would happen, but He also knows that we (as humans) wouldnt be humans if we didnt have free will - we WOULD be puppets so He allowed us to make suffering.

Spec Highwind · 11-01-2006, 05:42 PM

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Why would you ask if He is using us as puppets? Of course He knew it would happen, but He also knows that we (as humans) wouldnt be humans if we didnt have free will - we WOULD be puppets so He allowed us to make suffering.

But then... If we are in Paradise, we die, were do we go to?

btw... in the last years, a rattlesnake from... hum... don't remember, but it was in America, evolved to a different Specie. Is that enough to you to believe that evolution does exist? (I'm not saying that both god and evolution can't exist at the same time, I just don't believe in him)

Avathar · 11-01-2006, 05:55 PM

When it comes to evolutionism, it's not a matter of believing in it. It's based on actual facts.

The Christian God is based on what? Stories.

Facts and faith are two different things. Don't get them mixed up.

Unknown Kaze · 11-01-2006, 07:13 PM

To Avathar: Read my post on the first page please. My opinion is that still believing in a fact with so many flaws is like believeing that a bucket with many holes can still retain water.

To Spec: It couldnt have just evolved just like that. One of the fundamentals of the theory of evolution is that a species evolves over a period of time based on a gradual yet distintive change on its phenotype and genotype - and it would take millions of years for that to happen so the rattlesnake species cant just change its genes in anything less than a million years. Also I dont think that America has changed that much in a number of years....

Avathar · 11-01-2006, 07:38 PM

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To Avathar: Read my post on the first page please. My opinion is that still believing in a fact with so many flaws is like believeing that a bucket with many holes can still retain water.

Of course it holds flaws. As good as each widely used theory isn't imagineable without its flaws.

But then again, look at communism: the theory works perfectly.
Kinda compareable to evolutionism: some parts of the ideas actually work, and hold on to facts. But people hold on more to the flaws, 'cause they cause greater effect on society.

And for evolutionism: it causes flaws, due to the conflict with religion.

The power of faith is strong, without a doubt, but for me, actual facts are for more prefereable.

Although this turns more into a religious discussion, it's quite inevetable.
Evolution can be prooven (even though it has flaws), so, holding a believe into that theory is stronger than a believe in something that is based on so called experiences.

Unknown Kaze · 11-01-2006, 08:08 PM

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Of course it holds flaws. As good as each widely used theory isn't imagineable without its flaws.

The bible doesnt have flaws.... seriously, research on it, I did, and still am.

ThroneofDravaris · 11-01-2006, 09:32 PM

Not quite

11-01-2006, 09:49 AM	#19
Xartex Gunblade Expert Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 37 Posts: 774	Re: evolution- yes/no Like a lot of you has said, it is just about faith. Some have it, some don't. I don't so therefore I belive in evolution.

11-01-2006, 10:41 AM	#21
Staircase Shinra Owner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA / New York Posts: 483	Re: evolution- yes/no I was wondering that too. Im still confused as to what happened before birth. I'd like to see some peoples ideas on that. Good question Spec! __________________

11-01-2006, 05:38 PM	#24
Unknown Kaze Cactuar Thorn Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: England Age: 36 Posts: 70	Re: evolution- yes/no Why would you ask if He is using us as puppets? Of course He knew it would happen, but He also knows that we (as humans) wouldnt be humans if we didnt have free will - we WOULD be puppets so He allowed us to make suffering. __________________

11-01-2006, 07:13 PM	#27
Unknown Kaze Cactuar Thorn Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: England Age: 36 Posts: 70	Re: evolution- yes/no To Avathar: Read my post on the first page please. My opinion is that still believing in a fact with so many flaws is like believeing that a bucket with many holes can still retain water. To Spec: It couldnt have just evolved just like that. One of the fundamentals of the theory of evolution is that a species evolves over a period of time based on a gradual yet distintive change on its phenotype and genotype - and it would take millions of years for that to happen so the rattlesnake species cant just change its genes in anything less than a million years. Also I dont think that America has changed that much in a number of years.... __________________

11-01-2006, 09:32 PM	#30
ThroneofDravaris Chocobo Jockey Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 274	Re: evolution- yes/no Not quite

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