A cure for homosexuality?

[Andrew Scaves]

A recent study from a scientific group have discovered a way to alter a fly's sexual orientation. The case brings about a lot of controversy, like homosexuality being biological and not based on the choice of the person. You can read on the article here http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071210094541.htm

[Yoko Kurama]

I'm not even going to read this article... Homosexuality is not a problem or disease... Whether scientists think they have figured it out or not...

[Andrew Scaves]

The scientists were contemplating as to see if they could cure homosexuality. I was just stating by this experiment if time would arise if the decision were to offer genetic surgery for homosexuals or bisexuals to become straight or the straight to become gay. I was merely contemplating on the future about something that will probably most cause protest.

[Yoko Kurama]

Alright, my apologies if I came off as rude just now... Being gay myself, I, obviously, don't believe that it is a biological thing...

[Luis]

Homosexuality is not a disease. So, I can't think of a reason for scientists to do so... actually, I think they should use that time for investigating a cure for cancer, or aids... for example.

[Yoko Kurama]

That is good point Luis... Cancer and AIDS is way more serious than a cure for something that many wouldn't want to be cured from, even if it were a disease...

[Andrew Scaves]

Update: They manage to altered the sexuality in mammals as well http://www.365gay.com/Newscon06/11/110206sheep.htm

[Yoko Kurama]

Well, the woman who asked them to pull the plug was completely right... The research of this is completely misguided... They, as Luis said, should be searching for cures for cancer and AIDS... So what if they can change a subject's sexuality... They would be able do to the same thing with anything, given a motive... The mind is very complicated and many different therapies or treatments can alter ones thoughts or views...

[Doctor]

I just can't believe that they're pouring money into bullshit like this. CURE homosexuality? NO. SUCH. THING.

Try finding a cure for CANCER, retards.

Sorry, but this really pisses me off. AND the fact that they were experimenting on animals. It's sick, sick and twisted..

[Yoko Kurama]

Yes, it is... How to word this? ... Yeah, sick is a good word Faust... I mean, there are many LIFE THREATENING things out there to worry about, rather than worrying about altering someone's being... That is even more sick than testing it on the animals...My sexuality is a part of me... Of who I am... So if they were to take that away from me, I would be "me", now would I? I mean, my parents have already told me that I'm full of bull-s*** for being gay... They are part of the population who says "We are right, homosexuality is just a bunch of people denying their true desires, etc." ... People like that are idiots for saying that a person doesn't know their own self...

[Kat]

Wow.
This thread makes me kinda sick too.
I mean, I'm straight and everything..but if someone loves someone, they should be able to love that person no matter what their gender is, no matter what. It wouldn't be fair if they couldn't. Thinking about someone who can't be with the person they love because its "not right", that makes me kinda sad thinking about it; makes me feel bad for them.
And fzcking testing this shit on animals?
wtf dude?
How would they like it if we put them in little cages for hours on end and shoved all these different medications down their throats? Watch them die?
Watch them suffer?
=/

Un-cool.

[Yoko Kurama]

Yup yup Kat... Too true... Wow, this thread seems a little one-sided, eh? But thats okay...

[Doctor]

Yes, it IS pretty one-sided, but that's only because most, if not all, of the people here have a good mindset, a good conscience, and plenty of common sense.

This is a mere matter of COMMON SENSE, and it would surprise me if someone were to suddenly pop up and decide to support this little twisted 'experiment'.

[Kat]

Yes, it IS pretty one-sided, but that's only because most, if not all, of the people here have a good mindset, a good conscience, and plenty of common sense.

This is a mere matter of COMMON SENSE, and it would surprise me if someone were to suddenly pop up and decide to support this little twisted 'experiment'.
..That wouldn't surprise me all TOO much.
I know there are plenty of people in the world like these 'scientists'
Who just don't care of people feel anymore.
Thats how it seems to me.
As we go into the future, maybe people will start looking like robots.
=_=
But..I would never respect or forgive anyone I knew that would want to support this.
Thats horrible.

[kb-sama]

This is BULL!

you know they say that we'er made from god right? well if there are gay peploe then god has to be a little gay himself

Why?! WHY?! are theses ass-hat wasting time and monney on this maddness!?


They can be helping the old live longer!

They can Fix 3rd-world states!


BUT NO!!!!


THESE *edited*! MAKE GOOD FINE HUMANS FELL LIKE S*** BECAUSE THE "JESUS LOVERS" B****.......

god this makes me mad......gays are human too!!!

[Shinra Soldier 1]

haha that's crazy. That would mean god was a little murderer, a homosexual, a devil worshiper (at this point if this were a computer it would explode after I typed that) and all the other bad things (well homosexuality isn't bad in my eyes, but if you called god gay, that wouldn't be good.) They say god is all knowing and all powerful, well if he were all knowing, then wouldn't he know he was going to build people who would build satanists and evil-doers? We have free will right? Well what about predestination? Doesn't he have the big plan where he knows where we'll all go? So if he's all knowing, there can't be predestination, and vice versa, therefore god doesn't know what's going to happen in many cases and is therefore not all powerful either

[blackstar]

Off topic but you speak of Satanists as "evil" like they are bad people I believe that is a horrible sterotype. Most true Satanists are very law abiding people. And I myself consider myself a heretic so do you consider me "evil" and bad as well.

[Yoko Kurama]

Oi.... Here goes the religious bit...

PS.... KB, you are my new hero...

[kb-sama]

Oi.... Here goes the religious bit...

PS.... KB, you are my new hero...

Realy? i just feel that gays are just as good as strights or better even...i'm not sure witch i am anymore....

[Shinra Soldier 1]

Actually , devil worshiper was never spoken as a bad thing in my sentences that i could find. The devil/satan is the opposite of god, which is why god would not enjoy them mkay? With that in mind, re-read my post please

[white mage]

I think that is completely wrong. They shouldnt be wastin it on crap like that. God is racist, sexist, and everything-else I dont know the word for-ist!!! I dont understand why humans worship Him....

[Shinra Soldier 1]

Yeah me either, I mean churches just overexert themselves on god, it's an obsession, which is scary in it's own way. You don't need to go to church to love god, whatsoever. People are just taught this from birth that they should go to church every sunday, especially in America

[Phoenix Flame]

The truth is - this is sick: no matter what way you slice it. Whether or not God is brought into the picture. Mankind has no right fiddling w/life. This just goes to show how irresponsible man can be. But another point I would like to make is that God loves homosexuals the same as he loves born-again Christians. We're all sinners and fall WAY short of perfection. I don't look down/with contempt on anyone because of their orientation, their religious beliefs (or lack thereof) or their appearance. I mean, I HAVE, when I didn't know any better. But when you realize what it means to love someone - regardless of who they are or what they've done - even to YOU - you understand what LOVE truely means. Our societies have stripped the meaning of the word away because we 'love' our pets, parents, significant other, God, home, freedom, individualism...blah blah blah. I'm not saying that you DON'T love any of those things...just that the word is thrown around so much we almost say it at times without even thinking of what it implies.

BTW KB: Those 'Christians' you were talking about - many of them are brainwashed by MAN-MADE religious beliefs to think that God hates homosexuals - He doesn't. He hates sin. Period.


WM: I don't think you understand what God is like at all, but rather have had the world tell you what it thinks He's like, instead of finding out for yourself.

And Shinra Soldier: I agree with you that you don't need to go to any building to worship and serve God, but that He would rather we live our lives in reverance to Him - giving him the respect/admiration that He deserves.


That's all I have to say about this topic.

[Shinra Soldier 1]

I don't agree that we are all sinners, or that we should attempt to say what we believe god thinks, no one really could know what god would think no one even knows what he looks like, we only get word of mouth about god and what he or she supposedly has done from people of ages long past. Unless I am told by him directly, I am NOT a sinner, so don't try to classify me just so I can be another page in your religious beliefs.

[white mage]

I agree. Its a curiosity. Why do we worship Him when all he says is that we are pathetic and His enemy, but if we rebel, as His enemies, we shall be punished. The only way to become His allies is to worship him, which does have some logic in it, but he says that we are sinners and dirt and everything, and then we still worship Him? I find that odd. Plus, human nature isnt sin, it seems to be a natural rebellious instinct.

[Shinra Soldier 1]

Yes I totally agree with what you are saying about how the statements contradict one another! The religions we experience are only the product of mankind, used to keep ancient peoples (who did not fear punishment or death as we do today) in line and to follow their rules and beliefs, and to lie to them so the governments can do what they wish! It's a way to sidetrack individuals and keep them out of the way of business. Now I am not against religions because I feel there can be a god, it's just I choose not to believe a person who gets paid to preach about god : P

[Phoenix Flame]

RELIGION as a whole is a man-made thing - this is true.

SPIRITUALITY on the other hand focuses on the individual at hand. It stresses the condition of one's heart and soul before God. The issue isn't do you know ABOUT God...it becomes: Do you KNOW God. Its about relationship. The only way you can have a relationship with God is to have a relationship with His only Son - Jesus Christ.

If you're interested, I'm going to be writing more about that in the 'Ask about...God?!' thread shortly.

...oh, BTW: I don't get paid to speak my mind about my faith. But somehow I doubt that matters to people.


In the future, let's try to keep the discussion on-topic, as we seem to have strayed a little off-course. This thread is about sexuality, and science's pathetic attempt to manipulate nature.

[Luis]

In the future, let's try to keep the discussion on-topic, as we seem to have strayed a little off-course. This thread is about sexuality, and science's pathetic attempt to manipulate nature.

I came to post the same thing, but Phoenix already said it. Please keep the discussion subjects on topic. There're some other threads to talk about religion already.

[white mage]

I apologize. But sexuality does have a lot to do with religion, at least the 'bad part' of it. The only major arguement against homosexuality is that it goes against the Christian's God.

[Luis]

You're wrong. That's not "the only major argument".
In this case sexuality does not have anything to do with religion. There are many people who are not believers and still think homosexuality is a wrong thing, because it is 'against the human nature'.

So as I said, please keep the conversation on topic.

[white mage]

You've got a point there.

[Yoko Kurama]

Wow, white mage... I had no idea that you had a thoughts like that... I am kinda glad that people share my opinion for once...

[Shinra Soldier 1]

I'll keep you on topic by telling this story: the ability to manipulate something of the mind is a wonderful tool that can help build a utopia similar to the one in Bioshock, only problem is what will happen when everyone is manipulated by science? Obviously, no one would want to be treated for homosexuality, at least I wouldn't think so. Although I disagree with the current purpose of the experimentation, I do enjoy the fact that we are able to make these strides in medical/biological/biopsychological research. Imagine being able to manipulate an entire generation of people to dislike war and bloodshed, or to dislike unhealthy foods, or greediness. I hope those of you against it will be able to look further into the future at the possibilities

[white mage]

Wow, white mage... I had no idea that you had a thoughts like that... I am kinda glad that people share my opinion for once...

What'd you expect? That I'd say 'yeah, go, Homosexuality is wrong!'? Im Soma's sister for God's sake!! Ive been taught better. Besides, you and I never talk. Im like Soma, Im more complex (kinda, not really) than I seem. I think its wonderful that science can do this type of thing, I just think that they should pay attention to far more serious subjects, like Alzheimer's.

[Shinra Soldier 1]

Yes I definitely agree with that, but they are studying this on flies, flies can't get Alzheimer's, they can't be mentally retarded, or have any type of bias. The best you can do is to have them forget how to fly, or make them gay, I mean there isn't much else you can do with a fly

[white mage]

Eh, point there. But with today's technology, we could easily work on simulations, than move on to mice, then whatevers. Which can me mentally retarded.

[Yoko Kurama]

I believe that science should be used to cure certain things... Like Shinra Soldier said, we may even be able to stop war and bloodshed... These things are the wonders of science... I just don't see why people spend their time on stuff like cures for something that isn't a threat to society, or individuals... I just hope that some people smarten up soon...

@white mage: Yeah, I should know you a little better than that, eh? You think alot differently than your brother... :)

[Doctor]

If some people WANTED to "cure" their own sexual tendencies, they would be denying themselves, their true selves..when you try to change someone in that deep of a level, you are misleading them into denying who they really are. Sometimes changing on a certain level is a good thing, like trying to lose weight, or trying to quell an angry disposition. But all things can lead to great excess, and if it goes too far and too deeply, one can get into trouble. After all, would you want to lose so much weight that you would become completely anorexic and obsessed with yourself? And would you want to rid yourself of any ability to use anger to fight back in important situations? (For example, defending yourself against an killer with a gun.)

Science is making a big mistake in trying to change the world too strongly. Now they want to try and change our way of thinking altogether. It's like they want us all to be clones of each other. Humans come into this world looking, feeling, and acting differently for a reason.

The mind is a delicate thing, and far more vast than anyone could understand. Not one person can comprehend themselves to the full extent that we would like to. And I hope that, even if one day someone discovers a way to do so, they never try to manipulate or use it.

Manipulation...is what would lead our society to misery. Dictatorships would be prominent if scientists could control the human mind in ways we're not even sure of yet. Does anyone want that great, that powerful, that terrible of an authority?

[white mage]

We could become like the Society in the Giver. We may be content, but we would stop being human...... I love arguing, and not doing so... ~shudders~ that'd be terrible!! Im terrified to see what humans would do with that power.... Weve already all-but killed the earth.....

@really? I thought we shared that opinion. Does Soma not agree with your sexuality? how odd.... Well, I'm behind you 100%!! (perv)

[Yoko Kurama]

The society in The Giver... That is a really good example actually... Who would want to live like that?

@white mage: Of course Stephen supports my sexuality... And I trust you can keep it a secret... :D

[jedi geoff]

dont try to fix something if its not broken

[Spec Highwind]

Don't get me wrong or don't get mad at me, but:

this is science!

What if they just research this and nothing more? I mean, not applying this knowledge about homosexuality, but rather studying it (it can be the basis of a much wider study). I don't think there would be a problem in it. It's just... science developing!

I don't think they would ever use this to "cure" humans. It's not a physical behaviour, it's a personal choice, which should be respected.

Was I clear? I don't want to create any controversy with my post, or something, I would say this about any other absurd study that might appear.

[Spec Highwind]

This is BULL!

you know they say that we'er made from god right? well if there are gay peploe then god has to be a little gay himself



I'm not religious, but according to the bible, god nuked four cities (four of the five cities that formed Pentapolis) just because their inhabitants were gay. The christian god sees gay people as if they were sick people.

If there's something I found disgusting, it is that mentality.

[Spiff]

There is no cure for homosexuality because it's not a disease. Honestly, this is just crap. These scientists are putting a paycheck (i.e. government funding) and their own morality issues above real progress.

It's also part of the reason I have no problem with gay marriage, but that's a different topic.