Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) - Page 2

Squall Lionheart · 01-25-2006, 04:07 AM

I double checked...Squall is most probably Laguna's child,
Rinoa will never be Ultimicia since she was born before her ,& fought other sorceress's who inherited her own powers, on their way to kill Ultimicia....Squall almost lost hope in the end because he thought killing Ultimicia would eliminate Rinoa (If they are the same) But survived when he found himself in the promise land with Rinoa!!!!
Laguna isn't really Sis's Uncle & Finaly I read Shadow's WEB page post......that girl is amazing but advice for members....read only storyline!!!
Her theory about Rinoa/Ultimicia can never be true!!! (plus she speaks about parallel universes & stuff not meant to be botered with!!)........

For the stuborn guys who read it all: Ultimicia's excistence is denied so the storyline CONTINUES AS SEEN that Squall and Rinoa and evreyone lead their lives...no such thing as time loop AT ALL..

wimsi · 01-25-2006, 04:15 PM

i'm sorry, but i think, the rinoa=ultimecia-theory could be true. the more i think about this theory the more i believe in it. i read on another homepage about it and it's very logical.
sad, that it's a german page ^^ but here some arguments:

1. sorceress's seem not to age. i mean, look at edea... she has to be at least 40 and looks no year younger than 20. ok, that point is not that good...
2. rinoa didn't become a sorceress the ordinary way. normally sorceress's have to give their powers to somebody before they die. but edea didn't die, when she gave her power to rinoa. what if the power wanted to get back to its real owner?
3. ultimecias last words: "Reflect on your...Childhood...Your sensation...Your words...Your emotions...Time...It will not wait
No matter ...how hard you hold on it escapes you..."
what if rinoa really couldn't age. she lived with squall who got old and died. she couldn't stop the time, she couldn't get him back. all she wanted was to bring her love back. for that reason she started the time compress. but because of her gf she forgot the reason why she did all this and she didn't even recognize her love when he stood in front of her.

these are only a few arguments... if you want to read them by yourself, contact me and i will give you the link to the homepage where i got this stuff (or am i allowed to post the link here?). but you have to translate it, because its a german page ^^

Squall Lionheart · 01-25-2006, 04:48 PM

1/3 correct...here is why....
1- Not a great point ....still I'll backfire it....you remeber all the sorceress's who we fought while traveling throught time to get to Ultimicia...... it was said (By Doc Odine...or during the battle itself) that these have recieved Rinoa's power through time UNTILL IT REACHED Ultimicia herself to become a sorceress...meaning Rinoa got eventually passed on her powers to live with Squall (That last one was a guess!)
2-....No offense..but there is no such thing as that....since Edea became officially normal by Doc Odine(The only unexplained point is wether He passed them up to Rinoa or he gotten ridden of it)...she never became a sorceress again....
3-That is the only good card in your hand since I won't pretend to understand what she meant by her words....
Actually what got me doubted was the last FMV in which Squall sees a blinking image of Rinoa & Ultimicia...by going to a site that had defined pictures....I noticed she was just trying a last attempt to destroy his most precious memories & the image was actually for Ultimicia,Rinoa,Seifer,Zell,Quistis,etc....Maybe that was what she meant by her words,so when he can't remember his loved ones he can't return to his time...(Same way they got to her Castle by remebering the orphanage)...but I'll say that this is just my guess since I said before that I didn't understand her words meanings...
Anyway you can post your site....they wouldn't love you for it thought,& I don't understand GERMAN!!!

[EDIT]: Forgot to show you one of my powerfull reasons....
Correct me if I'm wrong But wasn't Ultimicia possesing Rinoa on the Lunar Base?...
And she made her WALK PAST HER LONG SEARCHED ELLONE (So many cities & Ships destroyed & burned just to find her)JUST TO FREE ADEL!!!!
Common sense! (sry for the long msg)

Zeromus_X · 01-25-2006, 08:41 PM

no matter what anyone says, rinoa isnt ultimecia, since square confirmed that sorceresses in ffVIII have normal human lifespans. since its also confirmed in-game that ultimecia is many genereations ahead in the future, so rinoa, although a sorceress, cannot have lived that long.

itd be cool if they were the same person, but since theres so much evidence against it, it just isnt possible.

...though it did make my head hurt thinking of quantam physics for awhile o_0;;

Squall Lionheart · 01-25-2006, 08:45 PM

So you read that too!
Actually, I congratulate you for not coming out of it reapting what you read like a brainwashed bot!

ShadowHeart · 01-28-2006, 05:28 PM

I always used to say that you could believe whichever you wanted, since there were things hinting both ways. But if what you say is true, Zeromus, that Square really said that, then it really puts an end to all theories about this. When did they say that anyway?

Squall Lionheart · 01-28-2006, 05:39 PM

It was in the Information (as I remember), but one last theory.....upon fighting Ultimicia,getting expired in time means no longer existing.....so basically she can't do that to her-so-called-self......

It's just a matter wether you believe or not in Rinoa.....
follow your heart....

Zeromus_X · 01-28-2006, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowHeart

I always used to say that you could believe whichever you wanted, since there were things hinting both ways. But if what you say is true, Zeromus, that Square really said that, then it really puts an end to all theories about this. When did they say that anyway?

it was in this FFVIII ultimania guide, a japanese strategy guide with all this extra stuff in it... hold on...let me find something...

Squall Lionheart · 01-28-2006, 08:21 PM

In the end you'll simply find out that its just a lunatic guess based theory....

ShadowHeart · 01-29-2006, 09:36 AM

Well there's a FAQ at GameFAQs that discusses it, and they do have some good points about it. I don't think I ever was a believer, although that FAQ did have me doubting a little for a while, but I'm glad it's settled once and for all

Squall Lionheart · 01-29-2006, 09:53 PM

Whoever thinking otherwise will have me to deal with.....

01-25-2006, 04:07 AM	#16
Squall Lionheart SeeD Gunblade Specialist Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36 Posts: 1,578	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) I double checked...Squall is most probably Laguna's child, Rinoa will never be Ultimicia since she was born before her ,& fought other sorceress's who inherited her own powers, on their way to kill Ultimicia....Squall almost lost hope in the end because he thought killing Ultimicia would eliminate Rinoa (If they are the same) But survived when he found himself in the promise land with Rinoa!!!! Laguna isn't really Sis's Uncle & Finaly I read Shadow's WEB page post......that girl is amazing but advice for members....read only storyline!!! Her theory about Rinoa/Ultimicia can never be true!!! (plus she speaks about parallel universes & stuff not meant to be botered with!!)........ For the stuborn guys who read it all: Ultimicia's excistence is denied so the storyline CONTINUES AS SEEN that Squall and Rinoa and evreyone lead their lives...no such thing as time loop AT ALL.. __________________ I'll be waiting...for you...so... If you come here... You'll find me. I promise.

01-25-2006, 04:15 PM	#17
wimsi Cactuar Thorn Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: austria Posts: 70	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) i'm sorry, but i think, the rinoa=ultimecia-theory could be true. the more i think about this theory the more i believe in it. i read on another homepage about it and it's very logical. sad, that it's a german page ^^ but here some arguments: 1. sorceress's seem not to age. i mean, look at edea... she has to be at least 40 and looks no year younger than 20. ok, that point is not that good... 2. rinoa didn't become a sorceress the ordinary way. normally sorceress's have to give their powers to somebody before they die. but edea didn't die, when she gave her power to rinoa. what if the power wanted to get back to its real owner? 3. ultimecias last words: "Reflect on your...Childhood...Your sensation...Your words...Your emotions...Time...It will not wait No matter ...how hard you hold on it escapes you..." what if rinoa really couldn't age. she lived with squall who got old and died. she couldn't stop the time, she couldn't get him back. all she wanted was to bring her love back. for that reason she started the time compress. but because of her gf she forgot the reason why she did all this and she didn't even recognize her love when he stood in front of her. these are only a few arguments... if you want to read them by yourself, contact me and i will give you the link to the homepage where i got this stuff (or am i allowed to post the link here?). but you have to translate it, because its a german page ^^ __________________ can sin be forgiven?

01-25-2006, 04:48 PM	#18
Squall Lionheart SeeD Gunblade Specialist Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36 Posts: 1,578	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) 1/3 correct...here is why.... 1- Not a great point ....still I'll backfire it....you remeber all the sorceress's who we fought while traveling throught time to get to Ultimicia...... it was said (By Doc Odine...or during the battle itself) that these have recieved Rinoa's power through time UNTILL IT REACHED Ultimicia herself to become a sorceress...meaning Rinoa got eventually passed on her powers to live with Squall (That last one was a guess!) 2-....No offense..but there is no such thing as that....since Edea became officially normal by Doc Odine(The only unexplained point is wether He passed them up to Rinoa or he gotten ridden of it)...she never became a sorceress again.... 3-That is the only good card in your hand since I won't pretend to understand what she meant by her words.... Actually what got me doubted was the last FMV in which Squall sees a blinking image of Rinoa & Ultimicia...by going to a site that had defined pictures....I noticed she was just trying a last attempt to destroy his most precious memories & the image was actually for Ultimicia,Rinoa,Seifer,Zell,Quistis,etc....Maybe that was what she meant by her words,so when he can't remember his loved ones he can't return to his time...(Same way they got to her Castle by remebering the orphanage)...but I'll say that this is just my guess since I said before that I didn't understand her words meanings... Anyway you can post your site....they wouldn't love you for it thought,& I don't understand GERMAN!!! [EDIT]: Forgot to show you one of my powerfull reasons.... Correct me if I'm wrong But wasn't Ultimicia possesing Rinoa on the Lunar Base?... And she made her WALK PAST HER LONG SEARCHED ELLONE (So many cities & Ships destroyed & burned just to find her)JUST TO FREE ADEL!!!! Common sense! (sry for the long msg) __________________ I'll be waiting...for you...so... If you come here... You'll find me. I promise. Last edited by Squall Lionheart; 01-25-2006 at 05:00 PM.

01-25-2006, 08:41 PM	#19
Zeromus_X Master Summoner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Core of the Moon (Phoenix, AZ) Age: 95 Posts: 2,931	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) no matter what anyone says, rinoa isnt ultimecia, since square confirmed that sorceresses in ffVIII have normal human lifespans. since its also confirmed in-game that ultimecia is many genereations ahead in the future, so rinoa, although a sorceress, cannot have lived that long. itd be cool if they were the same person, but since theres so much evidence against it, it just isnt possible. ...though it did make my head hurt thinking of quantam physics for awhile o_0;;

01-25-2006, 08:45 PM	#20
Squall Lionheart SeeD Gunblade Specialist Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36 Posts: 1,578	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) So you read that too! Actually, I congratulate you for not coming out of it reapting what you read like a brainwashed bot! __________________ I'll be waiting...for you...so... If you come here... You'll find me. I promise.

01-28-2006, 05:28 PM	#21
ShadowHeart Master Summoner Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 41 Posts: 1,730	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) I always used to say that you could believe whichever you wanted, since there were things hinting both ways. But if what you say is true, Zeromus, that Square really said that, then it really puts an end to all theories about this. When did they say that anyway? __________________ And then there was silence Just a voice from the other world Like a leaf in any icy world Memories will fade

01-28-2006, 05:39 PM	#22
Squall Lionheart SeeD Gunblade Specialist Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36 Posts: 1,578	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) It was in the Information (as I remember), but one last theory.....upon fighting Ultimicia,getting expired in time means no longer existing.....so basically she can't do that to her-so-called-self...... It's just a matter wether you believe or not in Rinoa..... follow your heart.... __________________ I'll be waiting...for you...so... If you come here... You'll find me. I promise. Last edited by Squall Lionheart; 01-28-2006 at 06:28 PM.

01-28-2006, 08:21 PM	#24
Squall Lionheart SeeD Gunblade Specialist Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36 Posts: 1,578	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) In the end you'll simply find out that its just a lunatic guess based theory.... __________________ I'll be waiting...for you...so... If you come here... You'll find me. I promise.

01-29-2006, 09:36 AM	#25
ShadowHeart Master Summoner Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 41 Posts: 1,730	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) Well there's a FAQ at GameFAQs that discusses it, and they do have some good points about it. I don't think I ever was a believer, although that FAQ did have me doubting a little for a while, but I'm glad it's settled once and for all __________________ And then there was silence Just a voice from the other world Like a leaf in any icy world Memories will fade

01-29-2006, 09:53 PM	#26
Squall Lionheart SeeD Gunblade Specialist Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36 Posts: 1,578	Re: Nice Theory (MAJOR ENDING SPOILERS) Whoever thinking otherwise will have me to deal with..... __________________ I'll be waiting...for you...so... If you come here... You'll find me. I promise.

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