FFVII's Cloud Strife...man, or mako?

[wakka]

hojo wants another sephiroth because he lost his son in the reactor

hojo has gon mad after he lost his son and wife so he dose evile exprements now

Edit: Hello! Please, do not double post any more. If you do, I won't be asking any further. As you can see in the Forum Rules, 'double posting', or posting twice in a row, is not allowed. Use the edit button on every post to add new information to a post that you just made. Although, posting the same thing over and over isn't really helping your argument anyway.

[Tiny Bronco]

One. Double posting is against the forum rules. That needs to be a pop PM everyone has to read.
TWO. Cloud was never a "clone" He was BORN a human in Niblihen. Therefore he cannot match the literal definition of a clonje. Also, Cloud was injected with Jenova Cells and then Mako. That is the ONLY experiment that has EVER happend to Cloud.
THREE. Hojo never liked Sephiroth has a son. He didn't even love Lucrecia. (though I think she loved him) Hojo only wanted to continue what Proffesor Gast started.AKA The Jenova Project. Sephiroth and Lucrecia were just part of the experiment to him. He did eventually "care" for Sephiroth which is why he toke control of the Mako Cannon after it fired and was going to destroy Midgar by not letting the Reactors cool. Also, Hojo is perfectly aware that Lucrcia is till alive somewhere. He knjows that she also has Jenova in her and thus won't die easily.
Everything there is to know about this can be found in the Mideel Lifestream, Proffesor Gasts Lab in Icicle Villiage, and in the Zack flashback. Or trusted internet sources like Gamefaqs.com, CavesofNarshe.com, and FF7Citadel.com. Visit all of those for all of your FF needs!


*SPIOLER*
THE FF7 TIMELINE! Copied from FF7Citadel.com

NOTE: The following timeline was created by Schala-Kitty a member of FF7Citadel.com. This is not mine!
I like to give people credit.


1867 - Bugenhagen is born.
October 13, 1946 - Vincent is born
1949 - Nanaki (Red XIII) is born.
Early 50-s - Founding of Shinra Inc. as a weapons manufacturer.
October 10, 1959 - Jenova is discovered by Prof Gast.
December 15, 1962 - Barret is born.
Early to Mid 60-s - First mako reactor is built in Nibelhiem marking the start of the Shinra Electric Company, the start of the Jenova Project, and the start of the Turks as well.
Early to Mid 60's - Shinra raids the village of Kalm with Veld (future leader of the Turks) as the commander. The survivors are taken to Niblehiem.
February 22, 1965 - Cid is born.
Circa 1966-1967 - Lucrecia's impregnation and Sephiroth's birth.
July 2, 1967 - Jenova is sealed at the Niblehiem reactor.
1973 - Prof. Gast leaves ShinRa with the Cetra woman, Ifalna, for Icicle Inn.
1973 - Turk Vincent Valentine is experimented on and locked in the basement of the Shinra mansion. His aging stops at this point in time. (age 27)
1974 - Zack is born.
February 7, 1975 - Aeris is born.
February 27, 1975 - Prof. Gast is killed by Hojo, who then abducts Ifalna and Aeris.
August 19, 1976 - Cloud is born.
May 3, 1977 - Tifa is born.
November 20, 1981 - Yuffie is born.
Circa 1982 - Start of the Wutai war. (Sephiroth age 15)
1982 - Aeris and Ifalna escape from Shinra. Ifalna dies shortly afterwards and Aeris is taken in by Elmyra. (age 7)
1985 - Tifa's mother dies. Tifa travels into Mt. Nibel and Cloud follows, both fall from a cliff and Tifa remains in a coma for seven days afterward.
1987 - Zack leaves for Midgar (age 13/14)
1988 - Time when Zack would enter SOLDIER (age 15)
1989 - Cloud and Tifa make the Promise on the well.
Spring 1990 - Cloud leaves for Midgar (age 14)
Late 1990/Early 1991 - End of the Wutai war. (Seph age 24, Zack age 17, Cloud age 14)
February 30, 1991 - AVALANCHE (under Elfe) makes their first attack on Shinra. Sephiroth stops them at Junon.
June 28, 1991 - AVALANCHE steals sensitive information from Dr. Laylee regarding the SOLDIER program despite resistance from both the Turks and Troops (Cloud Strife, age 14 in particular). This is also the first time the AVALANCHE Ravens are seen in battle.
January 16, 1992 - Zack is involved with infiltrating the AVALANCHE labs on the Northern Continent. SOLDIERs Essai and Sebastian are killed.
June 17, 1992 - AVALANCHE attempts to kidnap (a willing) Hojo and Sephiroth is called in to stop it.
September 21, 1992 - Two SOLDIERs (Sephiroth and Zack), two Troops (Cloud and one unnamed), and one Turk operative (According to Last Order, Close Combat [F]) arrive in Nibelheim for the mission.
September 22-29, 1992 - Day of the Misson, Sephiroth's time in the basement.
The night of September 29, 1992 - The Nibelheim Incident (Sephiroth age 25, Zack age 18, Cloud age 16)
October 1, 1992 - Clean up at Niblehiem. Hojo orders for the survivors, Zack and Cloud included, to be taken to his lab in the mansion for experimentation. Zangan is able to escape with Tifa and bring her to Midgar.
Early 1993 - Marlene is born to Dyne and Elanor
April 11, 1993 - The failed launch of Rocket Shinra 26. (Cid age 28)
May 8, 1993 - Corel Incident (Barret age 30)
1994 - Gongaga Reactor explosion
October 30, 1996 - Nanaki's capture (?) (age 46)
December 19, 1996 - Zack and Cloud escape from the Shinra Mansion (Zack age 23, Cloud age 21)
December 22-25, 1996 - Zack and Cloud travel towards Midgar persued by both Shinra Troops and the Turks. Zack is killed protecting Cloud on the outskirts of the city.
Late December 1996 - Tifa finds Cloud at the Sector 7 train station and takes him in. Shortly thereafter, he is hired for the mission to blow up the Sector 1 reactor.
Late 1996-1997 - Events of Final Fantasy 7 take place
October 1997 - Meteor's Descent on Midgar (?)
1999 - Events of Advent Children
2000 - Events of Dirge of Cerberus
2497 - Events of the FFVII final scene (and AC opening scene) take place.
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Estimated Birth years for minor characters:
1920-30 - President Shinra
1930-47 - Gast, Hojo and Lucrecia
1950's - Ifalna
Mid 1960-s - Tseng
Late 1960-s - Rude (possibly members of the first AVALANCE under Elfe)
Early 1970-s - Reno
Mid 1970-s - Rufus
The city of Midgar probably began construction over the cluster of towns that became the Sectors sometime in the 1970's-Early 1980's.

These are the dates when everything happened. I checked and this information is all right except for some nitpicks that don’t really matter.

All of this information has been collected from FF7, FF7AC/ Last Order, FF7CC, FF7BC, and FF7DoC.

[Zeromus_X]

Wow, pretty cool Tiny Bronco. (I didn't know there were actual dates for everything...)

[Spec Highwind]

Wow... Great part of the information must come from DoC, BC, or CC (I never played those)

because they don't reffer t oany dates in the others

[Tiny Bronco]

There aren't exact dates, but it says things like how old people are so you can get close. I beleive more than half of the information is from FF7 spin-offs.

[Phoenix Flame]

Very cool info...although my eyes hurt after scrolling only 1/3 of the way.

Oh well. Hey, Its cool you guys helped me keep this thread alive. I always thought of VII as having a pretty deep and debateable storyline.

[ShadowHeart]

Originally Posted by Tiny Bronco

Cloud was never a "clone" He was BORN a human in Niblihen. Therefore he cannot match the literal definition of a clonje.

The game uses the word "clone" very loosely. Basically, any person injected with Jenova cells is considered a Sephiroth "clone" in FFVII...

[Tiny Bronco]

Yeah. I was so confused the first time I played FF7 because the storyline seemed to change or get more complicated every hour.

[ShadowHeart]

I was also pretty confused about Cloud the first time I played the game. I was confused for a good while. Took a while until I figured it all out

[Zeromus_X]

Took me a few play-throughs, that's for sure. ><;

[Phoenix Flame]

A few...I'm still all confuzzed :>X

[wakka]

cloud is just a normal person how isd traped in some illouson to make him think he is a clone oo sephiroth

[Tiny Bronco]

Cloud does have Jenova Cells in him so Jenova through Sephiroth used Cloud somewhat like a "clone." Up to where Aeris was murdered Cloud had basically done exactly what Sephiroth had wanted him to do. (Getting the Black Materia) Then Cloud relized what he had done and went to the Northern Crator to stop Sephiroth, but that didn't work either because Jenova still won control of Cloud's mind. It wasn't until Tifa helped Cloud in the lifestream that Cloud found his past and then was able to mentally stand up to Sephiroth.

[wakka]

cloud is just normal butsephiroth can control him when sephiroth is near by

[Suhiro]

Im now in a part of the game where i pass the Lifestream with Tifa and there after aquire all the Huge materia. I can quite ell much abou Cloud until i pass the game but i cn tell what i know. Cloud is a normal person who grew up i Nibelheim.On the day when he returned with Zack and Sephiroth he was changed by his town in ashes. He killed Sephiroth but not before Sephiroth wounded him. It was that wound and the emotions towards Tifa and hatred toward Sephiroth that made him believe he was in Zacks place. In other words it confused him and made his mind believe that he was part of SOLDIER.